Dr Keith Vincent Smith debunked Warren Whitfield in 2011

In Chapter One of Guringai, GuriNgai, Wannangini, Walkaloa: A long con, gone on too long, I wrote “I am 100% confident Mr Warren Whitfield cobbled together his pseudo-Aboriginal narrative using a variety of non-Aboriginal academic’s work, and am willing to accept Mr Whitfield’s admission that Historian Keith Vincent Smith was one such victim.”

Well the following video, recorded on the 9th of August 2011 is of Dr Keith Vincent Smith speaking on Bungaree. What caught my attention right towards the end Dr Smith recalls his discussion with pseudo-Aboriginal man Warren Whitfield regarding Whitfield supposed ancestral connection to my Ancestor Bungaree.

https://videopress.com/v/SlaTnZ6V?resizeToParent=1&cover=1&autoPlay=0&controls=1&loop=0&muted=0&persistVolume=1&playsinline=0&preloadContent=metadata&sbc&sbpc&sblc&useAverageColor=1


So Dr Keith Vincent Smith has a very different understanding than the one put forward by Warren Whitfield.

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But in the 2001 interview with Warren Whitfield by Rosemary Block, recorded at the State Library of New South Wales on Friday 7 September of that year.

Whitfield told Rosemary Block the following:

At this point is anyone shocked?

Well we know now.

Add to this the fact that Dr Natalie Kwok was unable to contact ‘GuriNgai” founder, Mr Warren Whitfield, when attempting to conduct her anthropological study of his family.

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Dr Lawrence Paul Allen was denied access to Dr Kwok’s earlier work, and was forced to rely on Warren Whitfield’s account.

Which we know to be demonstrably false, right down to misidentifying the photographs of his own family.

Family stories 4 — A Guringai Family Story — Warren Whitfield

Yet they persist.

Why would the GuriNgai or whatever they are calling themselves today let the truth get in the way, and why on earth would they start to hold themselves accountable now?

13 responses to “Dr Keith Vincent Smith debunked Warren Whitfield in 2011”

  1. Warren Whitfield Avatar
    Warren Whitfield

    Bob Waterer discovered documents in 2004 and one document among them led him to believe that his ancestor originated from the Broken Bay Clan.
    The marriage record of Sarah Wallace and Louis Ferdinand (Lewis) in 1847.
    This does not give any indication or credibility to such a far fetched claim.
    Why? Because Sarah Wallace, the daughter of an Aboriginal person and an Englishman was born in Sydney in 1803, hence the reference to Darug. Sarah died in Parramatta in 1880.
    Louis Ferdinand moved to the lower Hawkesbury to pound shell midden material into lime.
    He was joined by Sarah Wallace, who later put in an application for a grant for land at Marra Marra Creek.
    They were married in Gosford in 1847.
    This history and the records do not support his claim that Sarah was from the Broken Bay Tribe.
    The nick name Biddy is not accepted by all of Bob’s family and a lot say it is a construct by Bob to try and link Sarah to Bungaree.
    Keith Vincent Smith said that there is no connection between Sarah Wallace and Bungaree’s family group.
    Biddy Salamander, was in Bungaree’s family group through marriage, because she wasn’t from the Broken Bay Tribe, Biddy was married to a Broken Bay man named Salamander and you can’t marry within your clan.
    Biddy Salamander has no relationship with Sarah Wallace anyway.
    Out of interest Bungaree was circumnavigating Australia with Mathew Flinders when Sarah Wallace was conceived.
    I am not trying to demonise or belittle Bob’s work though. I respect him.
    Tom Richmond, a school teacher, with Bob Waterer invented Sarah’s connection with the Broken Bay Tribe.
    There is absolutely no (0) evidence that Sarah was ever associated with the Broken Bay Tribe in any way.
    Even Nan Bosler didn’t support it and she credited that claim to Tom Richmond, who credited Bob Waterer for that information, based on one marriage document.
    It was not unusual for Sydney based Aboriginal people to move north, especially with their partners.
    Sarah was a significant figure of the Lower Hawkesbury River though, known as the “Queen of Bar Island”. Quite a history and nothing to be sneezed at.

    Sophy on the other hand was recorded in the 1827, 1831 and 1835 Blanket Lists for Brisbane Waters, Broken Bay Tribe, as well as in Reverend Glennie’s records.
    Keith Vincent Smith said that Sophy was Bowen’s sister.
    A true and authenticated member of Bungaree’s family. Her daughter Charlotte was the first Aboriginal person to be recorded as being born in The Broken Bay area before 1830. She is mentioned in various church records, BDM documents and other historical records in the area at the time and is verified and accepted as being a member of Bungaree’s family group, the Broken Bay Tribe.

    The hyperbole being disseminated through dubious sources that Bungaree and my family, who were members of Bungaree’s family group, are Darug is not even accepted by the true Darug people.
    This was first put forward by Bob Waterer and Tom Richmond.

    Most of Sarah Lewis’s descendants are decent honest people. Most don’t make outrageous claims or are intent of using any dubious means to try and discredit our connection with the Broken Bay Tribe.
    You can’t discredit us, as hard as you try, because truth and recorded history is on our side.
    Our history is not invented, we have proof of who we are.
    It was a very foolish folly that you embarked on.
    Now that we know a great deal about your family history. Much more than I have written here
    We wouldn’t have even questioned your authenticity if you hadn’t tried to discredit ours.
    You have no one to blame except Jayson Cooke.
    I am sorry for your deception.

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    1. jaysondcooke Avatar
      jaysondcooke

      All this time and this was the best you could bring us Warren?
      So here we have Mr Warren Whitfield, founder of Guringai Tribal Link Aboriginal Corporation, and professional pseudo-Aboriginal purveyor of flim-flam and fraud, make the claim that:
      Laurie Bimson, his family and descendants have no connection to Bungaree.
      Tony Bimson, , his family and descendants have no connection to Bungaree.
      Neil Evers, his family and descendants have no connection to Bungaree.

      And of course that Sharlene Leroy-Dyer, Director of the UQ Business School Indigenous Business Hun and the Associate PRME Director – Indigenous Engagement for UQ Business School; and creator of the Bungaree Discovery scholarship, in honour of Dr Leroy-Dyer’s ancestor, her family and descendants, have no connection to Bungaree.

      Like gamin rats from a rotten to the core sinking ship.

      Now why would you possibly make such a claim?

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    2. jaysondcooke Avatar
      jaysondcooke

      No mob is claiming you Warren. This was true in 2001, and it’s could not be more true now.

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  2. Warren Whitfield Avatar
    Warren Whitfield

    Jayson Cooke, who claims falsely to be descendant from Bungaree’s family group.
    Pitiful pretender and false purveyor of a false history, aye Jayson.
    Fake demented narcissist.
    No evidence of your connection to the Broken Bay Tribe Jayson, (0).
    Your so called family connection was invented by Bob Waterer in 2004.
    You have absolutely no connection to Biddy Salamander, at all. (0) Jayson.
    You are 100% fake.
    Your pitiful attempt to use my family to make money by making up BS and misrepresenting other material.
    Your DNA doesn’t match ours because you are not descendant from the Broken Bay Tribe. Full stop.
    I have not been idle at all, spent a lot of time looking at your family history.
    Amazing what I found.
    You should be ashamed of yourself at making such bogus claims regarding your lineage.
    Terrible false claims with zero evidence (0) to back it up.
    It was a case of I wish I was, so I’ll say it’s so.
    Do you think that if you keep saying it’s true, it suddenly will be?
    No Jayson, it never will be.
    You are not a descendant of the Broken Bay Tribe and you are not descended from Bungaree’s family.
    Stop your lying.

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    1. jaysondcooke Avatar
      jaysondcooke

      Ah, so you’re concerned about DNA. I really think that’s the last of your concerns you silly grifter.

      Your ‘defence’ strategy is to now suddenly claim that Guringai Tribal Link Aboriginal Corporation Directors were misleading the public, and membership, by declaring octogenarian Bob Waterer a Guringai Elder. Are you going to break the news to Neil and Sue Evers? What of the Bimsons? Poor Laurie has spent so much time and effort into his descendent of Bungaree identity.
      Poor Sharlene named a scholarship after her believed Ancestor; and you are only now claiming to have never believed them to actually be related to you and Tracey Howie?

      You are demonstrating a willingness to disregard half the people you have misled to believe are your relatives, in order to try and save your own sallow skin. Wow.

      Your fiction has well and truly unraveled Warren, and it’s a little embarrassing you still haven’t recognized this stark reality.

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      1. Warren Whitfield Avatar
        Warren Whitfield

        You are still making up stuff as you go.
        You are truly pathetic Jayson.
        They are all your relatives. I have no problems at all with them, they are of Aboriginal descent, being descendant from Sarah Wallace, just not descendants of Bungaree.
        That’s nothing to be ashamed of btw.
        I don’t claim that people are not of Aboriginal descent when I can see they are, unlike you. That’s because I am not jealous nor am I a liar, unlike you Jayson.
        I have respect for Sarah’s descendants, apart from you that is.
        You are a fake and a persistent and prolific liar.
        You are not descendant from the Broken Bay Tribe nor are you a descendant of Bungaree or his family.
        May I remind you that Bungaree was circumnavigating Australia with Mathew Flinders when Sarah was conceived.
        Explain that one away looser

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      2. jaysondcooke Avatar
        jaysondcooke

        Warren, you do not know when Sarah was conceived, and your question is as devoid of meaning as the scratches on your arms.
        Why the sudden interest in DNA? You could just come out and say it without the pantomime.
        Would you like to share with your audience how long you have believed you are not related to Bob Waterer, Laurie Bimson, Neil Evers, Ash Rose, and Sharlene Leroy Dwyer?
        Was it awkward pretending you believed you were all related?

        Quite the faux pas.

        Any luck tracking down anything at all linking ‘Sophy’, who was in the Broken Bay area in 1831, with Bungaree?

        Oh! Were you really using a boomerang to hold up your pants in that photo with the Governor General?

        Your fiction is the least interesting aspect of this, and I would really like if you would drop the charade. It is literally fooling no-one Warren, even yourself.

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      3. Warren Whitfield Avatar
        Warren Whitfield

        You are not related to Bungaree in any way, shape or form Jayson. Your delusional rantings match your outlandish conspiracy theories.
        I have never claimed an ancestral relationship with your family. But in saying that, I respect them and like them.
        Laurie. Neil and myself have more Aboriginal blood than you do, but you still insist on cLling us white fella. What are you Jason?
        I know what you are not, you are not related to Bungaree and you are not descended from the Broken Bay Tribe.
        But Jayson even given all your bullshit. You know we are, and it passes you off.
        You are a pitiful little fool who can’t get his own way, aren’t you Jayson, a fake, a liar and a scammer with delusions of grandeur.
        Keith Vincent Smith was not mocking me you delusional imbecile. I don’t comment on your delusional thought processes Jayson.
        Bungaree died in 1830 stupid.
        You know Sophy was in the Broken Bay Tribe don’t you Jayson, you don’t know that Sarah Wallace was Jayson, because she wasn’t.
        BTW if Sarah was born in 1803, she was conceived in 1802 or early 1803, when Bungaree was on the Investigator.
        I have told you before that I have had nothing to do with it for over 20 years. You have brought me into it, so I had no input in relation to who was a member and who wasn’t.
        I don’t make judgement of them at all, they are good people. You are an exception though. You are an arsehole, through and through, Cultural man from the Gold Coast, you are pathetic, with the IQ of a tadpole.
        Your BS writing is all conjecture and assumptions, trying to justify your ridiculous conspiracy theories.
        I didn’t approach The State Library of NSW to be involved in their Mathew Flinders exhibition. They asked me to on the recommendation of Keith Vincent Smith, I didn’t even know about it until they approached me.
        You jump to ridiculous conclusions Jayson, your modes operandi.

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      4. jaysondcooke Avatar
        jaysondcooke

        It seems Neil Evers is contesting your claims Warren, and in the Daily Telegraph no less.
        Neil Evers claims that “(w)e are descendants of Bungaree we can definitely trace it back to him.

        “It’s crazy stuff, Nathan Moran just wants to demote us.

        “It all comes back to politics. If it goes any further, we will seriously have to look at defamation. He is detracting from the Voice – I’m here to advocate for the Voice.”
        https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/land-council-objects-over-indigenous-voice-forum-panellist/news-story/6799ccf4e542aee4f2c5d49c0d5c5511

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      5. jaysondcooke Avatar
        jaysondcooke

        Hi Warren,
        Any luck tracking down evidence linking “Sophy” to Bungaree, Matora, or any other member of my family?

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      6. jaysondcooke Avatar
        jaysondcooke

        You haven’t tried to explain why Dr Keith Vincent Smith was laughing at you, and saying he only told you Sophy MAY be a grand-daughter?

        Its a video of KVS, mocking you, in 2011, and you are still not acknowledging it even now, in a comment thread of a post containing the evidence of your falsehood!

        You should really be posting on your tikitok so we can see your cognitive dissonance in real time.

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  3. Chrissi Fox Avatar
    Chrissi Fox

    It’s interesting that ‘Guringai’ Warren Whitfield, after all his verbose, fallacious comments still hasn’t come up with any document to support his baseless claims of alleged ‘descent’ from Bungaree. Very telling.

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    1. jaysondcooke Avatar
      jaysondcooke

      Great minds! I noted this very thing in today’s Podcast!

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